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Confederate flag no more honorable than swastika

By Freedom Whiting

Contributing Writer

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Published: Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Updated: Tuesday, December 1, 2009

You see it on bumper stickers. You see it on T-shirts. You even see it waving over some state capitals.

Yep, you guessed it: the Confederate flag, otherwise known as the rebel flag.

While some consider it a symbol of racism and bigotry, others contend that the Confederate flag is a symbol of southern culture and heritage.

But whose heritage? The rebel flag that we see now never historically represented the Confederate States of America as a nation. And let’s be real: The Civil War was about slavery.

People will say, “No, the war was about state’s rights.”

Yeah, state’s rights to own slaves!

South Carolina planter and state Senator John Townsend said, “Our enemies are about to take possession of the government, that they intend to rule us…according to the declared purposes of abolishing slavery.”

Yes, there were other minor ingredients involved in southern secession, but slavery was the meat of the corned beef sandwich from hell that was the American Civil War.

There is a southern culture that should be celebrated — like hospitality, college football, cornbread and chicken. Not racism.

Though proponents of the flag claim it has no political or racial connotations, they really don’t seem too eager to stop hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan or the Aryan Nation from waving the rebel flag proudly.

I’m sure that the Jewish citizens of Germany would not like to see Nazi flags being waved across the country.

In fact Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble has stated Germany’s official policy is not to “tolerate any form of…anti-Semitism.”

It’s a criminal offense! Ah, aren’t you glad that we have freedom of speech in this country?

Now there is nothing wrong with showing regional pride. I’m very proud of my southern roots.

Yet images such as the Confederate flag remind most Americans of a country divided. Take the Battle of Okinawa during WWII.

After the battle, a Marine from the self-proclaimed “Rebel Company” raised a Confederate flag over one of the castles.

After three days, Gen. Simon B. Buckner, Jr., son of Confederate Gen. Simon B. Buckner, gave orders for the flag to be taken down, stating that it was inappropriate because “Americans from all over are involved in this battle.”

Not to mention, why wave a flag of the nation that lost and ultimately no longer exists?

Those Confederate images caused problems here locally. From 1972 to 1977 Escambia High School was riddled with race riots after the all-white school was forced to desegregate.

Blacks and other students protested the racially over-toned school song “Dixie,” the Col. Reb school mascot and the use of the Confederate flag during school events.

In 1973, the federal courts ruled the images were “racially insensitive.” After more violence ensued, students eventually voted to have “Gators” become the school mascot. Go Gators!

Still, I know that as long there is Hank Williams, Jr., Lynyrd Skynyrd, and the great state of Mississippi, the Confederate flag isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

Though I miss those days after September 2001 when all you saw on bumper stickers and T-Shirts were flags of the United States of America.

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31 comments

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 21:53
dummies. the flag flew because the south wanted slaves. so go on with the southern tradition. if that were the case it wouldve flown prior to, but it didnt, know why, oh yeah, cause it didnt until they commited treason....and yeah, because they wanted slaves. damn the fact that a gin could produce more than an individual, the hate and bigotry just couldnt seeing those slaves lead normal lives and they wanted free servitude point blank.

please stop it with the denial. its quite sad.

walt235
Sat Jan 2 2010 07:05
I bet this Freedom Whiting is a fucking joo! The holohoax is a k!ke lie, but jooz really do need to be exterminated!
Bill Vallante
Wed Dec 23 2009 15:31
“Freedom” Whiting? I assume that this is some kind of pen name which you have adopted in order to impress your readers and bolster your flagging self esteem? But what else should I expect from someone who sees his “heritage” as being nothing more than fried chicken, corn bread and college football? What else should I expect from someone who sees patriotism as simply being the display of a flag or decal on a car? What else should I expect from someone who sees the most formative conflict in this nation’s history as being a simple matter of good guys vs bad guys? If “Ignorance” could fly, you would indeed be a pilot!A few pointers:**Re: your plastic patriotism – i.e. pining away for the good ole 9-11 days when everyone was flying a flag and feeling so warm and fuzzy: The country which you purport to feel so warm and fuzzy about was born in a cauldron of blood that most people refer to as “the civil war.” As a result of a Northern victory, the issue of states rights, an issue which had surfaced repeatedly during the first 70 years of the republic whenever a state or group of states was unhappy, (see “the Hartford Convention” for one example), was rendered moot. America became the nation that the Founders really never intended it should become, with all power centered in the federal government. Whether this is a good thing or bad thing is a matter of opinion. What is fact is that the war created the beginnings of the America that you and other chest pounding pseudo-patriots claim to love so much. And as such, the men who fought in that war and who gave their lives for what they believed, and who, by their blood and sacrifice created the world in which you live, are deserving of your respect, regardless of what color uniform they wore. Public law 85-425, passed by Congress and signed into law on May 23, 1958, officially recognized the Confederate soldier as an American Veteran. Go look it up. Also, nearly 500 Confederate soldiers are buried in Arlington National Cemetery. They are there because they are American veterans – and the flag they fought under is an American flag, one of many that have flown in America since colonial times. The government which those men fought against recognizes and honors them as American veterans. Rather than you and other morons like you running around, pounding your chests, proclaiming yourselves to be patriots, it might be better if you took the time to learn more about the history of the country you profess to love so much.**Escambia High School wasn’t the only school in the state, or the country, that experienced riots back in the early 70s. The riots in question occurred everywhere, and they occurred primarily as a result of Federal judges overstepping their bounds and ordering parents to bus their children to schools that were miles away from where they lived, and into neighborhoods that you yourself would probably not want to venture into unless you were driving an armored car. Trust me, I was alive back then and I remember it well. You weren’t even a gleam in your daddy’s eye. And as far as “Rebel mascots” offending black people go, might I remind you that black folks have historically CHOSEN to make their homes in the South, Confederate symbolism and flags notwithstanding? Besides, where is it written that if “some” people don’t like something, that everyone else has to bow to their wishes? Please show me where it is written, for example, that if one wraps themselves in the oh-holy banner of civil rights, or if one is a member of a particular ethnic or racial group, that they automatically get to decide what is good for everyone else and what everyone else can and cannot do? Please show me where such a thing is written because I have, for years, been trying to find it and have been unsuccessful thus far! They didn’t like the “rebel” mascot? That was their opinion, and it was not shared by everyone else. If “some” see the Confederate flag, for example, as “a symbol of racism and bigotry,” where is it written that the rest of us who don’t see it that way must adopt their views? If you, or “some people” see the flag as a negative symbol, that’s your opinion, and nothing more. Here’s a formula for you to remember as you travel through the years that you have ahead of you - “opinion” does not = “dogma.” That’s not my opinion kid, that’s life!** Re: “…they really don’t seem too eager to stop hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan or the Aryan Nation from waving the rebel flag proudly.” - Could you please explain to us poor ignorant folks how exactly we are supposed to “stop” them? Strong-arm them? Will you bail us out of jail? Sue them? Will you provide the money for the legal fees that such a suit would entail? The one thing you did get right is that freedom of speech is, thankfully, a protected right in this country. The Confederate flag is not copyrighted and is not patented. It can be used by anyone for whatever reason and in whatever manner they wish. And if I am not...
Bill Vallante
Wed Dec 23 2009 10:39
“Freedom” Whiting? I assume that this is some kind of pen name which you have adopted in order to impress your readers and bolster your flagging self esteem? But what else should I expect from someone who sees his “heritage” as being nothing more than fried chicken, corn bread and college football? What else should I expect from someone who sees patriotism as simply being the display of a flag or decal on a car? What else should I expect from someone who sees the most formative conflict in this nation’s history as being a simple matter of good guys vs bad guys? If “Ignorance” could fly, you would indeed be a pilot!A few pointers:**Re: your plastic patriotism – i.e. pining away for the good ole 9-11 days when everyone was flying a flag and feeling so warm and fuzzy: The country which you purport to feel so warm and fuzzy about was born in a cauldron of blood that most people refer to as “the civil war.” As a result of a Northern victory, the issue of states rights, an issue which had surfaced repeatedly during the first 70 years of the republic whenever a state or group of states was unhappy, (see “the Hartford Convention” for one example), was rendered moot. America became the nation that the Founders really never intended it should become, with all power centered in the federal government. Whether this is a good thing or bad thing is a matter of opinion. What is fact is that the war created the beginnings of the America that you and other chest pounding pseudo-patriots claim to love so much. And as such, the men who fought in that war and who gave their lives for what they believed, and who, by their blood and sacrifice created the world in which you live, are deserving of your respect, regardless of what color uniform they wore. Public law 85-425, passed by Congress and signed into law on May 23, 1958, officially recognized the Confederate soldier as an American Veteran. Go look it up. Also, nearly 500 Confederate soldiers are buried in Arlington National Cemetery. They are there because they are American veterans – and the flag they fought under is an American flag, one of many that have flown in America since colonial times. The government which those men fought against recognizes and honors them as American veterans. Rather than you and other morons like you running around, pounding your chests, proclaiming yourselves to be patriots, it might be better if you took the time to learn more about the history of the country you profess to love so much.**Escambia High School wasn’t the only school in the state, or the country, that experienced riots back in the early 70s. The riots in question occurred everywhere, and they occurred primarily as a result of Federal judges overstepping their bounds and ordering parents to bus their children to schools that were miles away from where they lived, and into neighborhoods that you yourself would probably not want to venture into unless you were driving an armored car. Trust me, I was alive back then and I remember it well. You weren’t even a gleam in your daddy’s eye. And as far as “Rebel mascots” offending black people go, might I remind you that black folks have historically CHOSEN to make their homes in the South, Confederate symbolism and flags notwithstanding? Besides, where is it written that if “some” people don’t like something, that everyone else has to bow to their wishes? Please show me where it is written, for example, that if one wraps themselves in the oh-holy banner of civil rights, or if one is a member of a particular ethnic or racial group, that they automatically get to decide what is good for everyone else and what everyone else can and cannot do? Please show me where such a thing is written because I have, for years, been trying to find it and have been unsuccessful thus far! They didn’t like the “rebel” mascot? That was their opinion, and it was not shared by everyone else. If “some” see the Confederate flag, for example, as “a symbol of racism and bigotry,” where is it written that the rest of us who don’t see it that way must adopt their views? If you, or “some people” see the flag as a negative symbol, that’s your opinion, and nothing more. Here’s a formula for you to remember as you travel through the years that you have ahead of you - “opinion” does not = “dogma.” That’s not my opinion kid, that’s life!** Re: “…they really don’t seem too eager to stop hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan or the Aryan Nation from waving the rebel flag proudly.” - Could you please explain to us poor ignorant folks how exactly we are supposed to “stop” them? Strong-arm them? Will you bail us out of jail? Sue them? Will you provide the money for the legal fees that such a suit would entail? The one thing you did get right is that freedom of speech is, thankfully, a protected right in this country. The Confederate flag is not copyrighted and is not patented. It can be used by anyone for whatever reason and in whatever manner they wish. And if I am not...
Asian-American
Tue Dec 15 2009 00:52
Freedom Whiting argues "a country divided" as his main point, but he ignorantly bashes the Confederate flag. Freedom Whiting, consider these facts:

-The Civil War (a.k.a. War Against Northern Aggression) started because the Southern states started purchasing their manufactured goods from England and France. Unable to compete with the lower prices of England and France, the Northern states placed tariffs on the Southern states. These tariffs eventually culminated into secession, and rightly so.

-Slavery did not become a moral issue between the states. It only became a political one in 1863, because the North thought abolishing slavery would cripple the South's economy.

-The Northern states allowed slavery for 2 years AFTER the Civil War, which was two years longer than the Southern States.

-Stonewall Jackson illegally taught free blacks and slaves how to read and write. The whole black community of Lexington, Virginia adored him. Read the book "Stonewall Jackson: The Black Man's Friend" and then tell us that he was fighting for slavery.

-"Dixie" has no racial overtones. What part of Dixie do you find racist? Do you even know how the song goes?

-Over 90% of the Confederacy did not own slaves. Only a small minority were rich enough to own slaves. So why would over 90% of the population die for a cause which does not concern them?

-Are the black slave owners also racist?

-Also, were the black Confederates who fought and died for the Confederacy fighting for slavery?

As an Asian-American, I'm also part of a local Conferate Reenactor's club. They fly the 1st National Confederate flag, the Battle Flag, Bonnie Blue Flag, etc. We also have black Confederate Reenactors as well. So Freedom Whiting, I don't need to tell you to research your facts since everyone else did, but don't slander the Confederate Flag from your ignorance. Besides, I should remind you that St. Andrew's Cross is on that flag. Oh, and the Swastika also represents Buddhism as well. Go to any Buddhist shrine in China and Japan and you'll see these "swastikas" everywhere. I'm quite sure that they don't represent "anti-Semitism."

Ted South
Tue Dec 8 2009 16:22
The Confederate flag has no relation and is the opposite of the swastika. The confederate flag truly represents the life and culture of the South. It does NOT represent slavery. The only thing that represents slavery are the racist bigots that condone slavery and approve of it !!!!
Mike Greear
Tue Dec 8 2009 00:23
Haters: The Swastika has very honorable roots in Buddhist tradition, but it has been tarnished by bigots and thugs to the point that it is better off left in the past and forgotten. Sound familiar?

OMG I must be an evil liberal wizard or something, kill me bleeeeehhhhhhh

Freedom's Fan
Mon Dec 7 2009 12:06
P.S. For those of you claiming a pseudonym for this talented writer, Freedom Whiting is his real name. He doesn't hide.
Freedom's Fan
Sun Dec 6 2009 11:46
Neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan bears this flag, and you people want to say it has no backing of racism? I commend you for this article, Freedom. Also, I love that your name rings true to what you're trying to spread to others. The confederate flag is for a bunch of redneck, muddin', truck-drivin', ignorant folks (aka Republicans) who claim "the South is gonna rise!" Some people just can't deal with the fact that the other side won. Maybe some of you should get off of your pedestal and try walking down here with the rest of "us liberals" before you judge.

Freedom, they are going to do whatever they can to bring you down because, hey--this is an opinions article, people--speak your mind, but don't expect it to get you anywhere. I guess they think they can change you with their empty name-calling. I'm glad you got feedback, and all the hate that I'm reading from others reminds me as to why you're a terrific writer who spits out amazing articles every week. Keep it going!

British
Thu Dec 3 2009 15:38
This article is disgusting. To compare the Swastika with the Confederate flag is an absoloute load of rubbish.

Lincoln was a despot. Long live the C.S.A.

Southernboy66
Thu Dec 3 2009 11:39
Now then, We need to start showing what these liberals are all about. Time to start fighting fire with fire...
Lets start casting the true light of what they are, back on them. Their the true racists. They are the one who are truly intolorent towards others. Their the ones who keep racial division alive in this country. Ones like this blow hard puke. The only good liberal, are the ones living somewhere other than this country...
May the South rise again....And hopefully soon.
GLM
Thu Dec 3 2009 11:00
SO this is what passes for "educated individuals"? How pathetic that history as it unfolded is never taught. Mr. Whiting, if the Predident of the United States was right in his actions, why then sir, did the US Supreme Court inform him that his actions were unconstitional? ANd why sir, did that same president incarcerate the entire legeslature of the state of Maryland? Why sir did he close news papers that posted the truth. Truth sir, is one thing that you lack. Open your eyes and do real research and discover the world of real history, not what race baiters have instilled into our once great education system. I am the proud son of MANY Confederate soldiers, from several Confederate States, I am proud that they stood for what they believed, and served their country, just as I have for twenty three years. Ignorance is not a crime, yet sometimes I feel it should.
Your name
Thu Dec 3 2009 10:53
Freedom Whiting,

You attack the Confederate flag by associating it with the Nazi flag. Do your realize that the Confederacy had integrated military units in 1861, while the US did not do so until the 1940's? Did you know that the first black chaplain was in the confederacy? Did you know that the confederacy paid black and white troops the same, whereas the Union had pay differences? Did you know that it was the Union flag that flew on slavers carrying their cargo across the ocean? The Confederate flag did not fly above one slave ship. The flag you attack is diametrically opposed to the values you espouse.

The flag of the Union is the flag most associated with discrimination, segregation and prejudice. When the Klan marched on Washington in the 1920's it was the American flag that they carried, not the Confederate flag. When the pledge of allegiance was instituted, the initial salute was that of the outstretched arm, similar to the 'seig heil' of the Nazi regime. That was how school children were taught to salute the flag. It is sad that your teachers did not instruct in such matters. You really should research your topic before making statements that are not supported.

Jimmy L. Shirley Jr.
Thu Dec 3 2009 10:08
You boys are doing a great job! KEEP THE SKEER ON!!!
Clifton Palmer McLendon
Thu Dec 3 2009 09:58
Definitions taken from Webster’s Third New International Dictionary of the English Language Unabridged (Chicago: Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc.; 1981)

BIGOTRY: Obstinate and unreasoning attachment to one’s own belief and opinions with intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.

IGNORANCE: A lack of knowledge, either in general or of a particular point.

PREJUDICE: Unreasonable predilection for or objection against something; or an opinion or leaning adverse to anything without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge; or an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics; or an opinion or judgment formed beforehand or without due examination.

The author correctly states that the Flag he dislikes was never the national flag of the Confederate States of America. That flag, properly known as the Confederate Battle Flag, was the flag of several military units in Confederate service. It was a soldiers’ flag, and the Confederate soldiers had the sole right to interpret its meaning.

After the War, the Confederate soldiers became Confederate veterans. The Confederate Battle Flag was still their flag, and they alone had the right to interpret its meaning.

In 1896, since many of the Confederate veterans were aged, infirm, and dying off, the Sons of Confederate Veterans was formed as the successor organization to the United Confederate Veterans. The legacy and authority of the United Confederate Veterans was transferred to them over the next ten years. This transfer of power culminated in a speech given 25 April 1906 at New Orleans, Louisiana by Stephen Dill Lee, Confederate lieutenant-general, and commander-in-chief of the United Confederate Veterans:

To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we will commit the vindication of the cause for which we fought. To your strength will be given the defense of the Confederate soldier's good name, the guardianship of his history, the emulation of his virtues, the perpetuation of those principles which he loved and which you love also, and those ideals which made him glorious and which you also cherish. Are you also ready to die for your country? Is your life worthy to be remembered along with theirs? Do you choose for yourself this greatness of soul?
Not in the clamor of the crowded street,
Not in the shouts and plaudits of the throng,
But in ourselves are triumph and defeat.

Since 25 April 1906, therefore, the Confederate Battle Flag has been the flag of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. They alone have the right to interpret its meaning. They have interpreted its meaning, and explained (repeatedly!) that meaning – and it has nothing to do with hatred.

The Confederate Battle Flag is not the flag of the Kluxers and other malcontents of their ilk. They do not have the right to interpret its meaning.

The author shows his lack of knowledge of the War for Southern Independence when he states that slavery was a major factor in the War. In mitigation, I realize that the mis-teaching of history (or the teaching of non-history disguised as history) has contributed to his lack of knowledge. Time was that university students were thinkers – rather than take what they were told at face value, they examined it to see if it was indeed true. Perhaps those days are gone.

The author shows an unreasonable objection against the Confederate Battle Flag, an opinion formed without just grounds or due examination and based upon insufficient knowledge, and an irrational attitude of hostility toward those who display the Confederate Battle Flag for benign reasons. The tone of his writing gives me the impression that he has an obstinate and unreasoning attachment to his own belief and opinions vis-à-vis the Confederate Battle Flag, with intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.

Is Freedom Whiting an ignorant prejudiced bigot, or is he merely acting like one?

Buck
Thu Dec 3 2009 09:29
There is no (0) zero parallel or comparison between the CSA and Nazi Germany. 1) The CSA was an attempt to BREAK away from the northern, liberal states of the U.S. to become it's own country. If Lincoln had just let us go, there would have been no war; so blame Lincoln for all the deaths and the war; Nazi Germany was an attempt to TAKE control of other countries. 2) The CSA never organized death camps for any citizen; Nazi Germany did. There are other differences too numerous to mention, but these two (2) stand out as immediate reasons why no comparison can nor should be made between the CSA and Nazi Germany. It is only stupidity that allows people to do so.
Rev. H. Hinson
Thu Dec 3 2009 08:17
I doubt if Confederate Secretary of War Judah Benjamin or hospital matron Phoebe Pember would agree with this statement: they were Jewish. President Davis wouldn't have; he decreed that Jewish soldiers be given time to worship. CSA regiments were also unsegregated; Union General Grant put Jews and blacks into separate units.

My CSA ancestors, who were American Indian, wouldn't agree with your comparison to a regime that would have sent them, as non-whites, to concentration camps.

Read history before you try to quote it.

Lou
Thu Dec 3 2009 07:40
Mac, I have to disagree, this article does not scream, "I'm an ignorant idiot", it screams "I am an ignorant bigoted idiot".

It saddens me to think that someone is so ignorant of their own history, that they should want to post such drivel to the internet, and that they should choose to post such insulting drivel.

Freedom Whiting likes to compare the Confederate flag with the swastika, but he might look closer to home, and compare his own writing, and his own attitude, with fascism, born of ignorance.

Rev. Swann
Thu Dec 3 2009 03:54
Most of the others have made the major points about the 2nd War for Independence but there is something else everyone seems to forget. The Southern Army's surrendered, of that there is no question; however, according to the United Nations Charter since the Confederate States of America was a legally elected Government by the citizens of those states, only the elected Government officials could surrender. No elected Confederate Official ever surrendered on behalf of that Government. While it is a moot point, the CSA is still a Nation. If you think you can obtain by force of arms the right to Govern a people, you are wrong. Check the broken up USSR, and think about all the respective states now talking about secession.
CSAcitizen
Thu Dec 3 2009 02:30
How dare this 'writer' force his historical ignorance and uneducated opinion upon a whole nation of people !? This is the most blatant Yankee propaganda that I've ever seen ! I'm not shocked that this hidden named 'writer' will not show his name ! This write is the most embarrassing ignoramous write I've ever seen ! This person has never read true history that is for certain ! Anyone who knows real history knows the Confederate emblems and flags were forbidden to fly over anything to do with slavery and the emblems and flags belong just as much to the Confederate Blacks as they do to the whites ! The ONLY slave flag there has ever been is the US Federal flag. The only nation on this continent that had the slave trade business was the US, not the CSA ! And slavery had nothing to do with the Lincoln War ! Slavery was a last minute Lincoln Republican Party ploy to get more bodies to fight on the ground to keep the war going ! Many Confederate Blacks were proud to fight for freedom against Marxism, under the Christian Battle flag ! How dare this so-called secret 'writer' put this trash of lies in print in a newspaper ! And what is wrong with the editor of this paper to allow it ? It is truly a shameful thing and a good way to give a paper a really bad reputation !






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